Gitanjali

Turing Church and its Eastern connection

Editor’s note: New contributor Nupur Munshi proposes an inspiring compilation of texts and songs from the works of Indian polymath and spiritual master Rabindranath Tagore, winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature, in support of our Cosmist beliefs.

Thou hast made me endless, such is thy pleasure. This frail vessel thou emptiest again and again, and fillest it ever with fresh life.
This little flute of a reed thou hast carried over hills and dales and hast breathed through it melodies eternally new.
At the immortal touch of thy hands my little heart loses its limits in joy and gives birth to utterance ineffable.
Thy infinite gifts come to me only on these very small hands of mine. Ages pass, and still thou pourest, and still there is room to fill.

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This beautiful poem is a short extract from Gitanjali, a Nobel winning compilation of poems from Rabindranath Tagore.

Abundance of instance of immortality and life as evident in the poem, this is one of my favorite and coincidentally it could also be used as a source of reference for our understanding of the immortality of the soul.

I dedicate this poem to my friend and mentor Dr. Giulio Prisco and all of you with whom I share this Cosmist home.

I was asked by my dear old mentor to share something for the cause of Turing Church, working hard on a profound idea and a grand cosmic vision.

I, in fact, have very little to contribute as member of this family because I am too small compared to you all in terms of the expertise required. I am neither a scientist nor an expert in the field of space engineering, quantum physics, artificial intelligence and what not you say. I just sit on my little couch and read and learn from you enjoy your ideas and try to integrate myself into the functioning of the cosmic family as a child loved and taught.

The only thing that I can relate myself with you is a sense of oneness, connectivity and love. As I am gradually growing and learning in my Turing Church life I am realizing sameness in certain aspects of my upbringing in the eastern mode of thinking and ideas expressed here.

In India, especially Bengal where I come from, we are actually trained on Tagore’s ideology that is mostly based upon the Upanishadic tradition. The Upanishads and Vedas are the ancient Indian scriptures consisting of the major chunk of the Hindu Philosophy. These Sanskrit scriptures are so ancient and old that a handful of them have actually come down to us. Modern Indian writers drew inspiration from them and based their writing on the philosophical principles. Whether it is about the soul – the imperishable atma; adhidaivatam – the divine beings, prana the senses and the Brahman – the all pervading self… the scriptures have it all. Tagore, doyen of Indian Bengali literature, social reformer, a philosopher per excellence who interestingly took interest in Science was inspired by the spiritual idealism of universal unity and oneness of the Upanishads.

What I decided to do is to choose a couple of my favorite Tagore songs and present them to you to find out for yourself some amazing similarities revealed in the lines of Tagore and Dr. Prisco’s thoughts as expressed in this site under the headings of topics as mentioned.


Cosmology is not Geography
“… I think we need new religious social movements, focused on the cosmic core of enlightened spirituality “.

A firmament of sun and stars
আকাশ ভরা সূর্য তারা
akash bhora shurjo tara (audio)

A firmament of sun and stars,
a planet filled with life
In the midst of it all have I,
my own place, found have I
In awe-struck wonder therefore, surges up my song
That eternal beat of time,
to which sways world, in ebb and tide
In my pulse felt it have I,
that tug in the flow of my veins
In awe-struck marvel therefore, surges up my song

(See http://gitabitan-en.blogspot.in/2009/10/firmament-of-sun-and-stars.html for the full translation )

A magnificent poem of interconnectedness of all things. The poet seems to have found a place in this huge galaxy of stars, sun and the earth below. He is awed by the fact that he has at least found his eternal presence in the cosmic grandeur.


Launching the Turing Church Swarmwise

“I think the developers that this project is likely to attract initially are free thinkers and individualists who have a problem with authority”

We all rule supreme
আমরা সবাই রাজা
*Amra shobai raja (audio)

We all rule supreme in our kingdom of the King.
How else would we have the will to join our hands with His
(we are all supreme)

We do just as we please — our pleasures blend with His.
Fettered never will we be by dire tyranny,
How else would we have the will to join our hands with His
(we are all supreme)

(See http://gitabitan-en.blogspot.in/2011/02/kings-we-are-one-and-all.html for the full translation)

We are all kings on our own right and we are free to do whatever we want to although our movements are guided by the Supreme King. The poet feels that we all have to be kings to be able to unite with that supreme King.


Keep imagination in our science and fiction and leave PC BS out

“…highly speculative science is fun, imagination is not a crime, and hope is not a sin. I encourage you to cultivate your open mind and open heart ”.

In My Imagination (Kothao Amar Hariye Jabar Nei Mana):
কোথাও আমার হারিয়ে যাওয়ার নেই মানা মনে মনে

Nothing impedes my wanderlust,
I spread my wings to the chimes of my song,
in my imagination.
… Surfing on seven seas, floating to distant lands
I invade the locked doors of fairyland.
All in my imagination.

See http://songs-in-translation.blogspot.in/2010/10/kothao-amar-hariye-jabar-nei-mana.html for full translation.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADII5BB9ctM for the audio.

The poet says that no one can stop him from getting lost in imagination. He creates his own fairy world of beauty in his silent imagination.


Turing Church and Open Source religion : Ben Goertzel interviews Giulio Prisco

“I have no wish to die and I am extremely unhappy if I lose a loved one, but I see death in a cosmic context of universal resurrection, and I think some versions of me will be around to love some versions of my loved ones, some day. That gives inner peace.”

The good old days of yore
পুরানো সেই দিনের কথা
purano shei diner kotha.

The good old days of yore
How can we forget them
Insights shared
Secrets revealed
Forgotten can never be
In the morn did we pluck flowers
Rock did we to our heart’s delight
The garden alive with our songs
And then separated we got
Where to, we knew not
If ever we see each other again
Come my friend, come once more
Come into my midst.

See http://gitabitan-en.blogspot.in/2009/11/good-old-days-of-yore.html for full translation.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbhP78LSxY for the audio.

The poet is nostalgic and yearns to meet his lost friend once more. Separated from his friend his longing never ceases as he remembers everything they cherished together in the past and hopes to meet his friend back…one day.

Interesting here to note the poet says “chokher dekha praner kotha sei ki bhola jaye” (can we ever forget what we shared and what we saw?). This somehow proves that information is never lost, memories thoughts, feelings, etc. and “…abar dekha Jodi holo Sokha praner majhe aye” meaning, if we ever meet come into my heart. The phrase “if we ever meet” is important to ponder upon because though Tagore never talks about death and resurrection directly he does mean parting and reunion in a subtle way.


References

Tagore. R. ‘Little Flute’ Gitanjali (1913) [(Song Offerings), Complete Works of Rabindranth Tagore].
Tagore R. (1861-1941) Gitabitan, Complete Works of Rabindranth Tagore].
http://turingchurch.com/
The Upanishads, Part 1 (SBE01), by Max Müller, [1879], at sacred- com texts.
Special thanks to http://gitabitan-en.blogspot.com/
http://songs-in-translation.blogspot.in/2010/10/kothao-amar-hariye- jabar-nei-mana.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbhP78LSxY
Thanks to all the sites as mentioned that provided for the songs, translation and the audio.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Thanks for the nice words Nupur, and thanks for this inspiring compilation. I must learn more about Tagore. More thoughts later.

  • Nupur Munshi

    I should be thanking you . for …inspiring and blessing. Thank you Sir.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Giulio Sir, With your blessing, I would also like to take the opportunity to thank my parents as feeble and gentle as they are ,my sisters and their family ,my friends and colleagues in India and elsewhere ,my spiritual guru and every one here for this.Sir you know more than me that there is nothing as “east” or “west” in the language of spirituality. I am happy that we have successfully bridged the gap.

    • Giulio Prisco

      Re “there is nothing as “east” or “west” in the language of spirituality. I am happy that we have successfully bridged the gap.”

      I think there is nothing East or West in spirituality, but there are undeniable differences between East and West in _the language of_ spirituality. No western writer that I know of would have written the Tagore quotes in the text, but many have said similar things with very different words. We aren’t inventing anything new here, because all that we say has been said so many times in the past by both Eastern and Western thinkers, but perhaps we can do something to bridge conceptual and linguistic gaps.

      There are interesting analogy in physics. Gravity and inertia are really one and the same, but scientists didn’t realize that until Einstein. Similarly,more and more contemporary scientists are persuaded that the multiverse of Everett and the inflationary multiverse of cosmology are one and the same. Talking to my late lamented friend Dan Massey, I realized that my religion of science and his religion of love are, essentially, one and the same.

      I think your parents must be great people, and often “feeble and gentle” is the same as strong and brave.

      • Nupur Munshi

        So nice of you to say that about my parents.
        Yes there has to be some kind of software developed to bridge the linguistic gap. And I personally have to learn a lot from you. Multiverse!!