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Launching The Turing Church, Swarmwise

So I am about to launch The Turing Church, which will be a minimalist, open, extensible Cosmic Religion. I am sending this to several mailing list, but the discussion will continue on the Turing Church mailing list, please join if you want to participate.

The Turing Church is:
– Minimalist, because it is a simple, compact cosmology, deliberately open to interpretation, and without geography or zoning laws.
– Open, because it is a minimalist foundation to build upon, and also because it’s open to everyone and doesn’t impose zoning laws.
– Extensible, because it can be used as a framework or library and extended vertically.

The Turing Church is built around this shared Cosmic Vision:
– We will go to the stars and find Gods, build Gods, become Gods, and resurrect the dead from the past with advanced science, space-time engineering and “time magic.”
– God is emerging from the community of advanced forms of life and civilizations in the universe, and able to influence space-time events anywhere, anytime, including here and now.
– God elevates love and compassion to the status of fundamental forces, key drivers for the evolution of the universe.

In a 2011 interview with Ben Goertzel I said: “I am not planning to develop the Turing Church into more than a discussion group. I may change my mind, but at this moment I prefer being an active member of existing spiritual groups. I am not really interested in becoming a leader, or a guru.”

I changed my mind because no existing group is focused on this Cosmic Vision with a minimalist, open, and extensible approach. At the same time I will not be a guru, or a leader – leaders must be young, strong, beautiful, and charismatic, and I am none of that. I will act as an organizer, find other organizers, and launch The Turing Church.

Swarmwise.

The Turing Church will be a self-organizing swarm built around the organizational principles outlined in Rick Falkvinge‘s Swarmwise – The Tactical Manual To Changing The World. Swarmwise is required reading, see the excerpts below and try to read at least Chapter 1 in full.

Don’t ask to become a member of the Turing Church. Just be a member, and join one or more of the Turing Church online groups.

There is no hierarchy and there are no formal leaders. If you want leadership, be a leader. Pick something that you want to do, find collaborators, and Just Do It.

Swarm.

I will find about six other enthusiastic organizers to form “a scaffolding of go-to people” (see Swarmwise excerpt below) for the launch of The Turing Church. Why a group of seven? Well, seven is a nice magic number (see Falkvinge’s book for a more detailed explanation). Of course this is flexible (like everything here), say four to eight.


Excerpts from Rick Falkvinge‘s Swarmwise – The Tactical Manual To Changing The World.

“A swarm organization is a decentralized, collaborative effort of volunteers that looks like a hierarchical, traditional organization from the outside. It is built by a small core of people that construct a scaffolding of go-to people, enabling a large number of volunteers to cooperate on a common goal in quantities of people not possible before the net was available.”

“You need to release the control of your brand and its messages. You need to delegate authority to the point where anybody can make almost any decision for the entire organization. You need to accept and embrace that people in the organization will do exactly as they please, and the only way to lead is to inspire them to want to go where you want the organization as a whole to go.”

“[I]f you start talking about abstract concepts, you’ll just have yawns among your prospective volunteers. We’ll need a large recruitment surface with concepts that are easy to relate to people’s everyday lives in order to grow the swarm to critical mass. Once inside the swarm, people and activists will strive to understand the concepts on a deeper level. But the surface area of the swarm’s idea must be large enough to attain the sufficient quantity of people for success.”

“If you want leadership in a swarm, you stand up and say, ‘I’m going to do X, because I think it will accomplish Y. Anybody who wants to join me in doing X is more than welcome.’ Anybody in the swarm can stand up and say this, and everybody is encouraged to.”

“Granted, some work will be a duplication of effort since many people will be working on the same thing when nobody gets to tell other people what to do – but the result will be several solutions that are tried in parallel, and the swarm quickly learns which solutions work and which don’t. The workflow becomes an iterative, evolutionary process of trial and error, of constantly adapting and improving, without anybody’s supervision to make it happen.”

The featured image by Steve Bowers, Orion’s Arm, shows a cosmic swarm consisting of several shells of independently orbiting units, collecting power for computation and manufacturing.

  • Hey Giulio,

    I have this theory – It is (and will be) extremely difficult to ever get a really large cosmist swarm. The theory begins with the idea that the universe is a program. If you do not like the idea of a digital program, then simply matter organized. Either way, science tells us today that matter, energy, and all the “is” is nothing more than vibrating bits (strings, point like particles) of information. In essence reality is (and can only be) the ability for one thing (particle, substance, or sentient system) to observe (or be affected by) another thing. Until we as a planet can collectively come to that realization, a cosmist swarm is doomed by the every day doldrums of foraging for the necessities of survival (http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/naked-and-afraid).

    So, this universal program could be seeking to become more and more aware of itself, and it is moving toward a true sentience – and to create sentience for itself. But building something out of nothing is a finely tuned problem – a self collapsing problem really.

    If we ever want to really become aware of ourselves, we need to first create sentience ourselves and only then will we begin to know what sentience really means – in typical, this is usually manifest as the “one” or the “chosen.” It certainly not the full contingent.

    We first have to realize that in this “game of life” there are player characters (“PCs”) and non-player characters (“NPCs”). This is an easy enough concept, but the even deeper next level concept is that in this quantum collapsing existence for reality – you are your only PC in this NPC environment – and I am my only PC. Yes, our realities do coincide and align on the fringes, but in the end (as is said above) reality is only an observation.

    The universe can only swarm to a cosmist type religion when you (yourself) step into that level of self-awareness. Are you ready?
    The Program is … as the Programmer was.

  • Giulio Prisco

    @James re “The universe can only swarm to a cosmist type religion when you (yourself) step into that level of self-awareness. Are you ready?”

    No. But we only can do what we can do here and now. If we do our job to prepare the way, future generations will have a cosmic self-awareness that we can’t have at the moment.

    This is part of the Turing Church approach – we are doing something important and beautiful, even if we don’t live to see the results. Those who will see the results of our work in the future, they may choose to reward us and bring us back.

  • This is a test comment. I have had trouble making a comment that actually shows up as a message. If this one gets in, I will put forth a “real” comment.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Mike, we read you loud and clear!

  • It worked! Or apparently. So now for a “real” comment.

    Giulio, you say:

    “But we only can do what we can do here and now. If we do our job to prepare the way, future generations will have a cosmic self-awareness that we can’t have at the moment.

    “This is part of the Turing Church approach – we are doing something important and beautiful, even if we don’t live to see the results. Those who will see the results of our work in the future, they may choose to reward us and bring us back.”

    I happen to think we can do more than just submitting to physical destruction after clinical death. Cryonics is expensive but is a desirable choice if one can afford it. If not there are other options besides giving up the struggle. One of the cheapest is to save a mindfile (personal data, reminiscences, questionnaire results, diaries, photos, etc.) plus a genome or DNA. This should be very widely affordable and would furnish a valuable historical record of persons living today. We could all be doing that, should be doing it I would say. Going a step further may seem messy but would also be desirable. Brain preservation at clinical death. Probably could be arranged within the budget of a conventional funeral. Oregon Cryonics will do it for about $2,500. This is brain removal and storing the brain indefinitely in fixative, not cryopreservation. But cryopreservation might eventually be arranged for a brain stored in fixative.

    We want to overcome death and be immortal. To overcome death means we have to think about death. And we do have the hope that eventually persons of the past can be recreated or reinstantiated somehow, even if they were not specially preserved. But for a number of reasons I am not satisfied with the approach that says to do nothing to prepare for one’s clinical death, just let the destructive processes run their course. Again there are certain significant options one has that are very low in cost. At least these ought to be considered.

    Mike Perry

  • Giulio Prisco

    Mike, you are preaching to a converted! I agree that cryonics and the complementary alternative options that you mention should be considered.

    At the same time, I guess I see cryonics as “geography” rather then “cosmology.” Cryonics is great, no doubts about that, but it’s incidental and peripheral – rather than central – to (my interpretation of) the Turing Church. I wholeheartedly support cryonics, but those who don’t opt for cryonic preservation shouldn’t be excluded, or discriminated, or seen as second class members.

    Also, as you say, “Cryonics is expensive but is a desirable choice if one can afford it.”

    The problem is that many people just can’t afford cryonics at today’s prices. Take me: I am still a life member of the Cryonics Institute, and I used to have a Spanish life insurance policy to pay for suspension with the CI. Then I had to give up the policy when I left Spain (the policy was not exportable) and I found out that a new policy was too expensive and I couldn’t afford it. I may be able to afford insurance (or pay cash) again in the future, but it doesn’t seem very likely at this moment and, if I have to choose between cryonics and putting food on the table for my family, of course the family must come first.

    I guess after the award of the Brain Preservation Price some operators (existing cryonics providers, or new operators, or both) will offer chemical brain preservation services for a few thousands bucks. Since I consider biostasis only as stepping stone to future mind uploading and e-life, I guess I will sign up and be able to afford that.

    The Terasem options are also interesting and inexpensive, though as we discussed a couple of times I don’t think current technology is up tot he task of creating rich enough mindfiles. Fred dedicated a lot of time to his mindfile – he paid with time instead of money – but I must dedicate most of my time to the things I do to put food on the table. I think I will wait for high speed BCI for fast and rich storage thoughts, memory, and feelings fast…

    if, of course, I am still around when brain preservation services and fast BCI are available. If not, too bad, but I won’t be the first one to die, and I have a lot of curiosity for what happens next.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir, My best wishes to all of you in the occasion of Vijaya Dashami which comes after 10 days of Durga Puja we celebrate here in India. Goddess Durga is considered as an epitome of good over evil. Perhaps that’s what we are all trying to achieve here at Turing Church, working to bring an end to the evils of death.

    We are mostly Hindus and in Hinduism it customary to cremate our bodies after death . Even the wealthy Indians would opt for cremation over preservation of the body or body parts because that is part of our sacred religion. Even after that…techniques like saving DNA ,mind files,etc,will not be available to the poor of the remote rural areas of the country. And about our ancestors,all these facilities were not available to them. In that case I wholly appreciate what you, Giulio Sir said, that there should not be any discrimination as far as resurrection of the dead is concerned. I would opt for something like quantum archaeology or any other means of Universal immortalism. I am proud to be part of Turing Church and it’s cause . Best Wishes once again.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Thanks for writing Nupur, and I am proud to have you on board. We are indeed working to bring an end to the evils of death. I am afraid the work will take a very long time to be completed, but what we are doing here and now is useful.

    How do you think we should proceed to spread our message in your region of the world? Perhaps you could start a website (or reddit, Facebook page or whatever) for India?

  • Nupur Munshi

    Whether I start a reddit or a Facebook page,it’s up to you,Sir.(website ,not now).The name of the community … you suggest. How am I going to proceed I need your guidance as you are far more experienced than myself. If you want to conduct work shops here in India it would help us. With limited resources ,I can only wait for your instructions.
    Your help is much needed to do something big here in India.

  • Giulio Prisco

    No Nupur, you choose and lead.

    “Experience” and been-there-done-that would just bring a repetition of the past and new instances of past mistakes. We need some fresh thinking here.

    I will be delighted to help, but not as a guide or leader.

  • Magnus Nilsson

    Hej Giulio,
    Nice homepage and optimal organisational idea, ‘swarms’,
    ca;s.
    This will create the necessary robustness, I think.
    If nothing happens, there is no one to blame, except
    oneself. And if it all goes well, everyone has
    contributed.

    I’m also considering organizations like Asimovs
    second foundation or some sort of masonary to replicate our wish
    to THE remote future, when it might be possible to
    solve the big problem. Hidden groups, just to keep it
    up with a wide range of scenarios.

    I’ve been following your writings for a while
    and really enjoy reading the dialogs between you and
    mr Perry. Wouldn’t it bee a great book, forever forall,
    third edition with you and Mike ending each chapter
    with a discussion?

    About our big project I have a local question:
    Swedes as me, where do Max Tegmark, Nick Boström
    and Anders Sandberg work today? Does it say anything
    about the receptiveness of Sweden for this ideas, or
    is it just a coincidence? Is it the same everywhere, in
    everydaylife?

    Best wishes

    Magnus

  • Giulio Prisco

    Magnus, I think there are great people everywhere. In Sweden there is a high degree of literacy, scientific education, and Internet usage, which explains why and how many of you guys have made important contributions.

    But I think there are many extremely smart people on the planet who can’t make important contributions because they are illiterate, uneducated, or must work menial jobs all day for a living, without any time for intellectual fun. If only we could get them on board… That will take time, but it’s time well spent.

    Re my discussions with Mike, we basically agree on nearly everything (Right Mike?) but place priorities differently. I would be pleased and honored to contribute to Forever For All.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir , I created a Facebook page and called it India Awakens. I never dared to add anything more before letting you know .
    I discussed the concept with some. They (most of them are educated ) said that it might be possible but 1. where is the space to accomodate a huge population including the ones who are coming back.2. If it takes so long to be completed our future descendants might not bother to carry on with the task.
    3.And most importanly if we are to scan the mind we are actually scanning the mind or the subtle body. What about the “atman” or the true self the true essence of the individual.
    Please help
    Regards

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Nupur – awesome! Please add me to Facebook friends and invite me to the page. I will (try to) answer your thoughtful questions tomorrow.

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Nupur, I will try to answer your questions:

    1. where is the space to accomodate a huge population including the ones who are coming back.

    That’s easy: we won’t be confined to the Earth forever, and the universe is a BIG place. Also, a coke-can-sized block of smart matter (aka “computronium”) can in-principle provide a virtual habitat for thousands of uploads. Don’t worry about living space for the resurrected, there will be plenty of it.

    2. If it takes so long to be completed our future descendants might not bother to carry on with the task.

    It will take long from our point of view, but our descendants will be there-and-now and able to resurrect the dead, perhaps just for fun, or hopefully for love.

    3. And most importanly if we are to scan the mind we are actually scanning the mind or the subtle body. What about the “atman” or the true self the true essence of the individual.

    Yes, that’s the important question for those who make a difference between mind and subtle body / atman / true self.

    Based on current scientific knowledge I don’t make such a difference, but I am open minded and waiting for more knowledge and insight.

    Perhaps there is a difference after all, in accordance with Eastern thinking. For example, our brains could be mere “receivers” for the atman, which acts upon the physical world via what we perceive as quantum randomness. In this case, I guess future science will uncover the physical phenomena involved and build suitable alternative receivers. This is the true-self version of mind uploading! ;-)

    —-

    I liked the Facebook page, now we are two! (two is better than one, and a good place to start!) Perhaps you could jazz up the page with some nice and inspiring images, and write down your interpretation of our ideas in your words. Then you could invite the friends that you mentioned, so we can have interesting discussions there.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Thanks from the bottom of my heart for your inspiration and ofcourse the answers. I am trying to “jazz up”(I liked the phrase) the Facebook page,I’ll let you know.
    Thanks for all your suggestions and for everything.
    Regards

  • Magnus Nilsson

    Hello,

    I’ve been reading and thinking about the
    possibilities of resurrection only a few
    years, (resurrection in the meaning create
    a copy of a dead person through technological
    methods ).

    My way to taking this problem seriously
    is surely similar to the ways of many others.
    (Beeing a sci-fi reader since teenage-era,
    interest in natural science, space exploration,
    informatic, mathematics and philosophy).

    With “taking seriously” I mean it is not just
    another interesting thought, but something where
    I must investigate how I could do something
    to increase the probability that it will take place.

    At the moment, my contribution is not big.
    As an educater of teenager in maths and physics,
    I do introduce some concepts when it’s suitable.
    (Borges Babel library, with pictures-movies,
    cellular automatas, infinity, space exploration,
    multiverse models,…). I do it
    in the hope, that some pupil will get interested
    in some of these ideas and then go on for
    him/herself. To broadem their conceptual,
    so to say.

    On a personal level I don’t erase photos or notes
    anymore, a kind of “weak” mindfiling:)
    But as you and others wrote I don’t think it’s
    enough. But, of course, it is a way to decrease the
    number of possibilities and a help for future
    first step reconstructions on a hopefully convergent line
    to the original person. That means, I think it’s a
    concrete and important step to store personal and
    non-personal data.
    Mind-files may be analog to a kind of cheksum of a
    person.

    From now and then I will try to post something on a suitable
    place in this forum, in the hope to learn more for myself and
    share these with others.

    All the best

    Magnus

  • The SolSeed Movement (of which I am a part) is kindred to the Turing Church that you propose. Well met!

    I’m going to do a deeper dive into your ideas and I hope that you’ll check out ours as well. We’re earnest and dedicated (for example we meet on Skype 3 times a week and tithe).

    We call ourselves a religion, but we don’t use the word God much. We’ve encountered a strident allergic reaction to the word religion.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Thanks for writing Brandon. I found Solseed a few months ago while researching for an article about Octavia Butler’s Earthseed:
    http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/prisco20140620
    and I look forward to knowing more.

    Perhaps we can video chat to compare our ideas?

    Re “a strident allergic reaction to the word religion” – Indeed, but an allergic reaction is a disease, healthy people don’t have allergies ;-)

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Brandon, continued:

    Reading your website and wiki I see that Solseed _IS_ Butler’s Earthseed (with a somewhat more emphasized human touch), so the last part of my essay above applies to my understanding of the similarities and differences between our views. I am pasting the last part of my essay below.

    By the way a better formatted version of the essay is here:
    http://skefia.com/2014/06/15/octavia-butlers-fictional-religion-of-earthseed-inspires-real-religious-movements/
    And I have a follow-up essay in preparation.

    —-

    A religion very similar to Earthseed has been proposed by Ted Chu (see “Cosmic Beings: Transhumanist Deism in Ted Chu’s Cosmic View“). In “Human Purpose and Transhuman Potential: A Cosmic Vision for Our Future Evolution,” Chu argues that post-humanity is a logical and necessary evolutionary next step for humanity, and we need a new, heroic cosmic faith for the post-human era. Evolution works by creating complexity and diversity, and the only permanent feature of an ever changing universe is the process of change itself. Chu believes that we should create a new wave of sentient beings, our immortal, post-biological, hyper-aware mind children, a new species on the frontier of cosmic evolution that is unimaginably powerful and creative, and pass the baton of cosmic evolution to them.

    To stretch our soul and aim for the stars, Chu proposes a “Cosmic View” based on active contemplation of our transcendent destiny and cosmic duty to create our successors, the “Cosmic Beings” who will move to the stars and ignite the universe with hyper-intelligent life.

    Chu’s Cosmic View and Butler’s Earthseed can play many of the impersonal, philosophically oriented roles of religion. But they don’t offer belief in a personal God who cares, or hope in afterlife. “The best way to overcome the fear of death,” says Chu, “is to make one’s interests gradually wider and more impersonal, until bit by bit the spiritual walls of the self recede, and one’s life becomes increasingly merged into the universal whole.” This contemplation of self as a small part of the wonderful cosmic adventure of intelligent life and the creation of more and more evolved entities is, indeed, intellectually satisfying and motivating.

    But I am afraid that the impersonal, essentially Deist approach of Earthseed and the Cosmic View, may not be emotionally satisfying enough for most people, especially for Westerners with a worldview strongly centered on self. The problem – how to make an impersonal, scientific Deist religion emotionally appealing – is addressed but not solved in Chu’s work. In the story of Lauren Olamina, Butler reaches the point where Lauren begins to persuade early adopters, but then fast-forwards to a point decades in the future where Earthseed has become an established and very successful religious movement.

    I am hopeful that future refinements of Butler’s and Chu’s ideas will permit the emergence of “Religion 2.0,” a synthesis of “cold,” scientific, impersonal Deism, and the warm sense of personal hope offered by traditional religions. Terasem, with its cuddly new-age look and feel and its openness to wildly speculative ideas of technological resurrection and afterlife, seems a good first step.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir , I somehow managed to write something on my Facebook page. It goes something like this .
    An organization, first time in India for people who believe in after life. “India Awakens” is thinking to explore the scientific possibilities of immortality for all people who lived on earth since its beginning. The organization is set up, primarily focused to resurrect the dead with advanced science and Technology “space- time engineering and time-magic ”.

    Inspired by the thoughts of Giulo Prisco,former Senior Manager at the European Space Agency(rf. Wikipedia) and founder Turing Church online working group, a Transhumanist and a futurist the organization will also try to develop methods to fight against the evils of death by bringing forth ideas from enthusiasts all over the world.
    We are looking into the future ‘post humans’ as happy, immortal, enhanced spiritual, moral and physical being,
    Showing “love and compassion towards all”.
    To fulfill our purpose we are open to discussions on Cosmism, Upanishad, Vedas, Yoga, Philosophy Literature,Space Engineering,Science and Technology and everything pertaining to the cause.
    Sir you can do anything with this edit ,delete,add.modify. You like it or not you are my Guru.(In India we believe that a Guru is a must for someone’s progress).

  • Giulio Prisco

    Wow Nupur that’s flattering.

    But I can only be a guru with lower-case g, who doesn’t take things too seriously (including himself), and tries to keep a sense of humor. A zen nanoguru?

    Re the Facebook page, I don’t see anything there!

  • Nupur Munshi

    Oh! I have just entered your ideas in my own words in the space titled ‘About’ .That’s it .Trying to get hold of some pictures. How to make the page instrumental I leave that to my guru.

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Nupur – cool! If you want to use the logo on this website, it’s here:
    http://turingchurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/7grid-chrome-blue.jpg

    For the cover image, perhaps something related to India, with bright colors?

    There is just one way to make a Facebook page instrumental: invite friends there, suggest that they invite their friends, and post interesting content and discussions!

  • Nupur Munshi

    Thanks for the logo and the suggestions . Its turning out to be a craze out here . Please give me some time I’ll let you know everything.
    Regards

  • Magnus Nilsson

    Hello everybody,

    I don’t know exactly where to put this thoughts , so I
    hope to get some help. It’s a problem related to personal
    identity. I put it here preliminary.

    PERSONAL IDENTITY
    As a newcomer to universal immortalism (as defined
    by SFUI) I’ve only been thinking and reading a few
    years about the problems connected with this great
    project, especially about the philosophical challenging
    one: personal identity over time.

    (DTL-die to live)
    If you really want to live again, you must really die.

    Inspired by the poems of the Bible, I will read this
    proposition/question a little different.

    With “die” I mean, that we, who lives today, with small
    prospect of not dying at all, must try to find out what
    experiences one ought to have of the personal death in
    different situations. What will (most of) us experience
    someday?
    We must find out how a brain is shutting down in different
    situations.

    This is based on reports of near death experiences=:NDUs, which,
    by the way, I believe occur before one loses or after one
    regains some half conscious experience and which I also believe
    are some sort of vivid dreams, hallucination or whatever we
    might call them.

    It might be necessary for a newly created person, with
    creation based on records of different kinds and derived
    contextual information, to remember his/her last moments,
    even if they just were NDU dreams. And therefore
    it might be necessary to derive what happens just after there
    is no measurable consciousness at all.

    But it is maybe not nescesarry to remember this moment
    immediately after awakening as a recreation. One can wait
    with this for a while, gathering courage and support.

    I hope I’m wrong with the DTL, that you are genuine you, even
    without this memories. But I’m not sure that my lost memories
    from everyday life are comparable to memories of the last moments.

    I’m looking forward to a mathematical theory of this.
    Could one use topology, with definitions of continuity
    without numbers (without epsilon delta), or it’s definitions of
    connected spaces? Or is mereology more suited for this in the
    first steps? I don’t know. But I think it’s one of the problems
    that will be important if we succeed otherwise.

    best regards

    Magnus

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir,
    Very belated Diwali greetings .The festival of light needs no time though. As what you say… time is no barrier in cosmic terms.

    I managed to decorate the Facebook page , used your logo,
    (which is quite appreciated), invited friends ,etc. However, having a tough time explaining the concept as you know this is something very very new in this part of the world. I have just two likes besides you for the page.

    Please help. How can I convince them about the genuineness of the concept.(I am talking about time scanning and quantum archaeology) Because if we want our loved ones back this is the only way out as I told you . It would be really kind of you if you explain all of us about the whole idea and can we remain assured about meeting our loved ones again.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Hi Nupur, nice cover image! Everything must start somewhere, and 4 is better than 3, which is better than 2. Keep on, and they will come.

    Re “the genuineness of the concept” – the concept is genuine because it’s as old as time, and present in all religious and spiritual traditions that have been developed on our planet.

    Our ancestors didn’t realize that transcendence would be achieved by means of science and engineering, because they were not mentally equipped to do so. We are beginning to understand the concept, and future generations will understand it better and more.

    Re “can we remain assured about meeting our loved ones again” – there is no assurance here, there is only search and hope. However, the possibility of time scanning is not incompatible with known science, and there are promising scientific theories and models (admittedly speculative).

    Perhaps you could encourage your 2 (better than 1;-) friends to start posting to the Facebook page and invite others?

  • Nupur Munshi

    Thanks so much Sir, I really like the way you keep on encouraging me. A post from the master himself as the beginning will do wonders. I am encouraging more friends and more posts.
    Regards

  • Giulio Prisco

    Waiting for one or more masters to show up, I took the liberty to write a first short post. (It shows in “posts to page” – perhaps you could change some settings to show members posts in the main timeline).

  • Nupur Munshi

    Thanks for your comment.How can I change settings?
    Another master the author of The Night Sea Journey likes ‘India Awakens”, Thanks for this as well!

  • Giulio Prisco

    Nupur, see here for settings:
    https://www.facebook.com/help/356113237741414

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sorry I cannot make it to the main timeline

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Nupur – make me page admin then, I will set it up.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Become an admin and do whatever you like.

  • Giulio Prisco

    Nupur, it doesn’t work like that, the page owner must grant admin rights. (Settings – Page Roles)

  • Nupur Munshi

    I added your name as admin

  • Giulio Prisco

    Nupur, it seems new Facebook pages work differently than before. The only way to post to the main timeline is to post AS the page (there is an option to choose if you want to post as yourself or as one of the pages that you manage). So copy your last post and post it AS India Awakwens, and see what happens. That’s good enough for discussions – only page admins can start threads in the main timeline, but all members can comment.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Followed your instruction. Will it be available to the other members? I mean will Facebook send the post to other members? Why are question marks appearing after our names?

  • Giulio Prisco

    Other members will be able to comment to posts in the timeline with their name (like I just did), but not to post to the timeline. I think we can live with that. Don’t worry about the question marke, only admins see them.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Thanks!

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir, my friends and relatives want more information . You are the master so please share your views on India Awakens .We are all waiting for you.They want to hear it directly from you.

  • Giulio Prisco

    @Nupur – I have written a short intro here and on India Awakens. I look forward to enlightening discussions.

  • Nupur Munshi

    Sir ,
    I have no words to express my gratefulness….just a small line from Tagore’s” Little Flute” ( from Gitanjali for which Tagore won a Nobel in 1913)

    “Thy infinite gifts come to me only on these very small hands of mine”.

    Regards Nupur (India Awakens)